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[00:01:17] You can't force me to testify in my own case.
[00:01:19] I'm afraid you opened the door to that one when you made Harvey's character an issue
[00:01:22] because his character is an issue then why isn't yours?
[00:01:25] Look, I broke no laws and we all know that Janice Stanger is guilty.
[00:01:28] And if she's guilty and you're as good as you think you are,
[00:01:31] you should have gotten her convicted without planting that bullshit.
[00:01:34] So which is it, Andy?
[00:01:36] Do you want to be humiliated on the stand or do you want to drop this case right now?
[00:01:39] You evidence manufacturing piece of shit.
[00:01:47] Suits season seven episode 10 is over.
[00:01:51] If you're ready to hear us talk about Donna then suits yourself.
[00:01:56] I'm Rob Sestradino back here with the brand new movie reviewer from the Potomac News.
[00:02:02] It's Chappelle.
[00:02:06] Yeah, I made it.
[00:02:07] You made it.
[00:02:07] You're here.
[00:02:08] Yeah.
[00:02:09] No fake news here.
[00:02:10] Just, you know, straight from the source.
[00:02:12] Can't tell you who the source is, but just know if they said it,
[00:02:15] I believe it and I'm willing to go to court for it.
[00:02:17] Okay.
[00:02:17] We got a lot going on here in an episode called Donna where Donna has to go on the witness stand
[00:02:25] after they decide not to prep her.
[00:02:27] She goes up there.
[00:02:28] It doesn't go great.
[00:02:30] It ends with Mike of all people saying like, hey, you need to tell Harvey how you really feel,
[00:02:38] which I'm surprised that he didn't get slapped for going up to Donna and saying that.
[00:02:43] And then Donna plants one on Harvey,
[00:02:47] walks out the door, said, I just had to know and leaves.
[00:02:53] Yeah.
[00:02:53] So what did that mean?
[00:02:55] What do you think she took from that kiss with Harvey?
[00:02:57] Because it was a good, passionate kiss.
[00:02:59] We saw she planted one right on him.
[00:03:01] He didn't not kiss back, but he didn't also like he didn't embrace her.
[00:03:05] He just kind of ate the kiss.
[00:03:07] Yeah.
[00:03:08] Not sure consent was there.
[00:03:10] Not sure.
[00:03:11] Not sure consent was there.
[00:03:12] It was, it was, it's great.
[00:03:16] It's definitely great until we find out what Harvey says next.
[00:03:20] But Rob, what do you think Donna took from this big moment?
[00:03:23] Because as you said, Mike Ross did urge her at the urging of Rachel, basically.
[00:03:28] Rachel basically calls out that Donna clearly has feelings for Harvey still.
[00:03:32] Mike says, act on it, see what happens.
[00:03:34] Donna does.
[00:03:35] And then she walks out and leaves us hanging on for whatever happens next.
[00:03:39] What do you think?
[00:03:41] Well, I don't know.
[00:03:42] I mean, you would think that if the kiss goes well, like there'd be like, wow, okay, now I know.
[00:03:50] But I feel like if it, if it goes well, I feel like you don't immediately leave the room and say,
[00:03:54] okay, now I know.
[00:03:56] I think you run away regardless because it's awkward now.
[00:03:59] Right?
[00:03:59] Because you did just, you know, you did just force your kiss up on Harvey.
[00:04:03] It kind of like, all right, I'm gonna just leave you to sit with that.
[00:04:05] But I got to go in and cry in the car or something.
[00:04:08] You know, she had to get out the room.
[00:04:09] She made a bold move, but I think she was a little embarrassed.
[00:04:11] Although I feel like that was this not exactly Harvey's move with Dr.
[00:04:16] Agard, where I think he just like pulled up at her house and then just started like kissing her.
[00:04:22] Well, first he pulled up in his big fancy car and was like, hey, lady, look at me.
[00:04:27] I'm Harvey.
[00:04:28] I'm, I'm handsome and I'm rich.
[00:04:29] What's up with it?
[00:04:30] And then later on, he, he worked up to like, all right, you know, I'm all in let's, let's kiss.
[00:04:36] And Dr. Agard was kind of, she was, she was into it.
[00:04:38] You know, you could tell.
[00:04:39] But here Harvey and Donna have never given any inclination that they could potentially date.
[00:04:46] You know, we've seen that they enjoy each other's company,
[00:04:50] that they potentially are in love with each other,
[00:04:52] that they will go to the ends of earth for each other.
[00:04:54] But whenever Donna's asked about Harvey in this episode, she always says,
[00:04:57] me and Harvey cannot be together.
[00:04:59] We do not work together.
[00:04:59] We will not work together.
[00:05:01] We, we, we agreed that it will not go there.
[00:05:03] But I was always under the impression that it was Harvey and Donna,
[00:05:08] they did it one time and then she ends up working for him again.
[00:05:12] And that's very messy to be working for your boss and having feelings for your boss.
[00:05:16] So they're going to, you know, cut all those, you know, those feelings off.
[00:05:21] But she doesn't work for Harvey anymore per se.
[00:05:24] She does, but she's not his assistant.
[00:05:26] She's the COO.
[00:05:27] The power dynamics have shifted somewhat.
[00:05:30] Somewhat.
[00:05:30] It's still a difference in the dynamic because Harvey's name is still on the wall,
[00:05:34] but it is not the same as legal secretary to, you know, high power lawyer.
[00:05:39] And so I'm thinking maybe that gives her a little wiggle room to explore these feelings.
[00:05:42] I just don't know what she took from it.
[00:05:44] I would hope that two seasons before the end of this show,
[00:05:47] they're going to make a decision on what we're going to do with Donna and Harvey.
[00:05:51] Because honestly, I'm exhausted with every time somebody wants to get to Harvey,
[00:05:55] they just go to Donna and be like, do you love him?
[00:05:57] Yes or no?
[00:05:58] Huh?
[00:05:58] Did you sleep with him to get this job?
[00:06:00] Huh?
[00:06:01] You know, like, bro, if you just pick a lane, Donna,
[00:06:03] and we just announced it and say, Donna, yeah, she's in love with him.
[00:06:06] They're going to try it out.
[00:06:07] We'll see what happens from there.
[00:06:09] But I'm kind of, I'm a little tired of the back and forth of like, will they, won't they?
[00:06:13] Yeah.
[00:06:14] Let's make a decision.
[00:06:15] I feel like, and maybe, you know, I don't know what this is about me,
[00:06:19] but I think I would have liked this more if it was Harvey who sort of like has the realization
[00:06:24] of like, oh my God, like it was Donna.
[00:06:28] I'm in love with Donna.
[00:06:29] She was in front of me the whole time and him goes to her.
[00:06:32] I don't know if that, hey, maybe people are like, hey, we love it that Donna is the one
[00:06:37] that she's going out there.
[00:06:39] Get it, girl.
[00:06:40] She's going out there and going after what she wants.
[00:06:44] But it feels like to me that through much of suits, a lot of the storyline is like, oh my God,
[00:06:49] Donna is in love with Harvey.
[00:06:51] And Donna was like, no, I'm not.
[00:06:53] No, I'm not.
[00:06:54] And this is her finally saying like, you know what?
[00:06:56] I am.
[00:06:57] I am in love with Harvey and I got to act on that impulse.
[00:07:00] Whereas I feel like that Harvey was like, we had this a little bit in season five where
[00:07:07] he had that moment with her that caused her to end up breaking up being secretary with
[00:07:12] him.
[00:07:13] And it was almost like that that was like the one time that he sort of like exhibited that
[00:07:18] he had feelings towards Donna and it didn't go well.
[00:07:22] But I almost feel like that it was him that was holding back more on this than ever.
[00:07:27] It was Donna.
[00:07:29] Yeah, she's I think the exchange kind of went like, so, Harvey, why did you do this?
[00:07:34] And he's like, Donna, you know, it's like, no, I don't know.
[00:07:37] Tell me.
[00:07:38] He's like, Madonna, come on.
[00:07:40] You know what it is.
[00:07:41] He's like, no, say the words, say the words to me right now.
[00:07:45] And he's like, Donna, come on, man.
[00:07:49] It's us.
[00:07:49] This is what we do.
[00:07:51] I love you.
[00:07:52] You love me, but we ain't got to say it.
[00:07:53] Right.
[00:07:55] I believe he said, you know, I love you, Donna.
[00:07:58] Right?
[00:07:58] Right.
[00:07:59] Like, you know, I love you.
[00:08:00] Like, oh my.
[00:08:01] So like, you know, I'm in love with you, but you know, I love you, girl.
[00:08:04] And it's like, all right.
[00:08:05] But like, what is it?
[00:08:06] What do you mean by that?
[00:08:07] You know, what do you mean?
[00:08:09] What do you mean?
[00:08:10] And so, yeah, I think Donna was waiting on him to clarify.
[00:08:13] He never really does.
[00:08:14] And so for her now, I think this is her saying, tell me or else, you know, tell me right now.
[00:08:20] And then like, if you tell me right now, I can move on.
[00:08:22] But I think she really wants to be released from whatever feelings she might have for her.
[00:08:27] Because if she knows it's unrequited or that it's never going to lead to anything,
[00:08:31] then she can move on.
[00:08:33] But I think right now she's convinced herself that it'll never work.
[00:08:35] You know, we've never seen Harvey and Donna actually talk about what a relationship between
[00:08:39] the two of them would look like.
[00:08:41] Would they be compatible as a couple?
[00:08:43] You know, she just gave the key back.
[00:08:46] Exactly.
[00:08:47] So it's like, well, do or will you be compatible as a couple?
[00:08:50] It's not like they sat down and talked about it and said, you know what, Donna, you're you.
[00:08:54] I'm me.
[00:08:55] It's just we just don't mesh well.
[00:08:57] You know, they didn't have that conversation.
[00:08:59] So I think this is her kind of planting her flag and being like, do I even want to have
[00:09:02] this conversation?
[00:09:03] Let me kiss you and see if it's worth it.
[00:09:05] Because it's not only is Donna, you know, making a great display here for Harvey to say,
[00:09:10] look, love me, pick me, choose me.
[00:09:12] He's out, you know, he's with Dr. Agard.
[00:09:15] So she's about to break up a relationship potentially to make this happen.
[00:09:18] So I think she has to tread lightly here and figure out what she wants to do.
[00:09:21] I think for Harvey, he would have had to be willing to adult her.
[00:09:25] You know, he'd be willing to, you know, to cheat on Dr. Agard.
[00:09:28] And that's not in Harvey's wheelhouse.
[00:09:30] He doesn't cheat.
[00:09:31] So there's that.
[00:09:33] And this is going to be very hard to unwind with Dr. Agard when that he wants to break
[00:09:39] it off with her when things have been going so well.
[00:09:41] And why is that?
[00:09:42] Oh, it's because Donna like, oh, that Donna who that that you started having panic attacks
[00:09:48] and shows that she's very much like on the inside of like, what is this relationship
[00:09:55] about?
[00:09:55] So this is going to be hard for Harvey to, I think, untangle.
[00:09:59] Right.
[00:10:00] Well, yeah, well, he'll probably just need to go to therapy.
[00:10:03] So almost like he needs to call his therapist and be like, hey, therapist, Dr. Lipschitz,
[00:10:06] do you have any availability?
[00:10:08] Are you seeing any new patients?
[00:10:10] Yeah.
[00:10:11] It's almost like you shouldn't start dating your therapist, Harvey, in case you need therapy.
[00:10:15] You know?
[00:10:16] Yeah.
[00:10:16] It would be nice.
[00:10:17] So he can't go to Dr. Paula and say, yeah, between you and I don't tell nobody because,
[00:10:22] you know, this is a privileged conversation.
[00:10:24] But my COO kissed me and I'm dating a therapist.
[00:10:28] You might know her name is Paula.
[00:10:30] You know, it's going to put him in a very tight spot.
[00:10:32] So unwinding this will be fun.
[00:10:35] But I do think that Paula will understand if no one else does, because she knows that
[00:10:38] Harvey's in love with Donna.
[00:10:40] I think deep down she knows that it's always Donna.
[00:10:43] It's always going to be Donna.
[00:10:44] You know, I don't think he's going to have panic attacks if Dr. Agard decides, all right,
[00:10:48] I'm done.
[00:10:49] But if Donna decides she's done, you got to go watch Harvey.
[00:10:52] You got to put up.
[00:10:53] You have to go make sure that he's OK.
[00:10:55] So I think that if he comes to Dr. Agard and be like, Donna, kiss me.
[00:10:58] I think she's going to be like, all right, well, that's my time.
[00:11:00] You know, she's going to grab her things and say, we ain't got to really talk about this.
[00:11:04] There's not going to be a fight for this one.
[00:11:06] Take your Donna and go.
[00:11:08] All right.
[00:11:08] Well, Donna is also at the center of this whole case that's going on with Andrew Malik.
[00:11:14] And we're going to have the mock trial.
[00:11:17] And ultimately, we decide to cancel the mock trial because Lewis really should have the
[00:11:24] mock trial, should have the mock trial.
[00:11:26] But I'm not even sure if the mock trial would have prepped them for.
[00:11:29] I don't think that they saw anything coming with this whole destroying evidence from the
[00:11:37] Coastal Motors case.
[00:11:38] I don't think that they really seem to know that that was even on the table, that that
[00:11:44] was going to come up.
[00:11:45] But Andrew Malik, he has the spoilers.
[00:11:48] Chappelle, he's seen suits.
[00:11:51] He's seen suits and he knows exactly who to go to about this kind of information.
[00:11:55] And so the only person who we know who's watched this show as closely as we have is Holly Cromwell.
[00:12:01] She knows everything.
[00:12:03] And if she does it, she knows the men to call to get this information.
[00:12:06] So she called up Suit Yourself, the podcast and said, hey, I'm Holly Cromwell.
[00:12:10] It's me again.
[00:12:11] I got to get some info on Donna.
[00:12:13] Can you tell me about some of the other things that she's done for Harvey?
[00:12:16] And it is very fascinating to me that Harvey, Mike, Rachel, Lewis, they've all forgotten
[00:12:22] that Donna destroyed that evidence because that was such a big plot point.
[00:12:24] She got fired for shredding evidence.
[00:12:27] Y'all, this is a big deal.
[00:12:28] Yeah.
[00:12:29] Maybe they talked to Travis Tanner.
[00:12:31] I feel like he also, you know, yeah.
[00:12:35] Travis Tanner and Holly Cromwell.
[00:12:36] I'd like to see it.
[00:12:38] Yeah.
[00:12:38] Nobody seemed to think like, oh, like who would know this kind of information?
[00:12:42] Like, did they talk to Daniel Hardman?
[00:12:44] Did they talk to anybody?
[00:12:45] When so when, when the first, you know, drop it, someone leaked the information.
[00:12:50] They're like, well, who could it be?
[00:12:51] I was like, it could be thousands, 2000, 3000 people.
[00:12:54] Mike's like, well, we didn't work with 3000 people.
[00:12:56] Like, yeah, but you worked with a good 100.
[00:12:58] So it could be anybody.
[00:13:00] There's several partners who have come and gone.
[00:13:02] There's, uh, you know, several associates that are coming on and everybody knew Donna
[00:13:06] got fired for shredding that evidence.
[00:13:07] It wasn't a secret.
[00:13:08] So yeah, for Donna to get fired from shredding evidence and then be COO later on, it is weird.
[00:13:15] It is a strange occurrence and it would lead people to think that there's something going
[00:13:20] on outside of professionalism to get Donna into that spot.
[00:13:24] I don't think it's outside of the realm of possibility that Donna had been doing something
[00:13:27] nefarious to get there.
[00:13:28] Maybe she has something over on Harvey or something like that.
[00:13:31] We've seen these people blackmail themselves into positions before, but, uh, Andy, Andy
[00:13:36] Malick says, or did you sleep your way to the top?
[00:13:40] And I was like, wow, even bro.
[00:13:44] I wasn't prepared for Andrew to go that low.
[00:13:47] Interesting.
[00:13:48] Yeah.
[00:13:49] A lot of low blows that come from Andrew Malick and we end up getting, okay.
[00:13:56] It must have been somebody.
[00:13:57] We go back to Holly Cromwell.
[00:13:58] Were you surprised we brought Holly Cromwell back again for this?
[00:14:02] Yes.
[00:14:02] And I'm also surprised that they tried to put Holly Cromwell on the stand.
[00:14:05] They're like, all right, Ms.
[00:14:06] Cromwell, you think Donna getting slut shamed was bad.
[00:14:12] Let's put Holly Cromwell on the stand.
[00:14:14] She's like, do you know what I do?
[00:14:16] Are y'all familiar with what my job is?
[00:14:18] She said, it's not legal to do what I'm doing.
[00:14:20] You want me to get on the stand and let people talk to me?
[00:14:23] You think a jury is going to side with me, a madam of the night.
[00:14:28] Yeah.
[00:14:29] A corporate madam at that.
[00:14:30] Excuse me.
[00:14:31] I was like, Holly slapped them.
[00:14:32] Because Donna had some nerve going to Holly Cromwell and be like, listen, back in the
[00:14:36] day, I judged you.
[00:14:38] But now that I know a little bit more, now that I've actually done my research, you're
[00:14:41] kind of cool.
[00:14:42] You grew up with alcoholic father.
[00:14:44] Where'd you get this research on Holly Cromwell from?
[00:14:48] She's Donna.
[00:14:50] Why are you choosing to be Donna right now?
[00:14:52] You could have been Donna when Holly came to you the first time.
[00:14:54] I know you had an alcoholic stepfather.
[00:14:56] How?
[00:14:57] Who did you talk to?
[00:14:59] Donna, what's your excuse?
[00:15:00] You know, like you like to read people and you know how to get things.
[00:15:03] I found your diary.
[00:15:05] Right.
[00:15:05] Yeah.
[00:15:07] Yeah.
[00:15:07] And so she's like, yeah, that might be true.
[00:15:09] Thank you, Donna, for not judging this book by a cover.
[00:15:11] Oh, wait, you did.
[00:15:13] And so now that you think that I am actually a human, you need me to do something for you
[00:15:17] and you need to do it at the expense of me.
[00:15:19] PSL now SL has just screwed Holly Cromwell over several different times.
[00:15:26] She lost a million dollars in clientele and now they want to put her on the stand.
[00:15:30] Leave that lady alone.
[00:15:31] She ain't bothering nobody.
[00:15:32] Yeah.
[00:15:33] Do you even understand like the dynamics of like, I feel like that we go like so quickly
[00:15:37] over some of these things.
[00:15:39] So could you just talk me through?
[00:15:40] So Andrew Malick has dirt on Holly Cromwell and that he she basically has to do whatever
[00:15:49] Andrew Malick wants.
[00:15:50] And then he got her to give up some dirt on PSL.
[00:15:57] And then also, did she deliver the memo to the newspaper also?
[00:16:02] So in my mind, the way it works out of my head is that she did.
[00:16:05] She is behind the memo.
[00:16:07] However, he doesn't have any dirt on her.
[00:16:09] I didn't get that.
[00:16:10] What I got was that he needed somebody who could get information and she's a person who
[00:16:14] could get information and she has no loyalty to PSL or SL because of the way Donna treated
[00:16:20] her.
[00:16:20] So when Donna's like, hey, could you get on the stand and do this thing for me?
[00:16:23] It's not, oh, Andrew Malick's going to air me out.
[00:16:26] It's I'm very publicly a madam of the night.
[00:16:30] Everyone knows it.
[00:16:31] And I'm not going to get on the stand and let people ask me questions about that because
[00:16:34] it's illegal.
[00:16:35] What are you doing?
[00:16:36] See, I thought that Andrew Malick as the district attorney, like had like potentially like charges
[00:16:42] against Holly Cromwell.
[00:16:44] And that's why she has to do what he says.
[00:16:47] I mean, if he didn't, he will once you put her on the stand and she starts admitting
[00:16:51] to all her crimes because Donna wants to save her face.
[00:16:56] So, yeah, I don't know if he had anything going in, but there's no way she gets on the
[00:17:00] stand and gets down and there is not any like, OK, well, Holly Cromwell, girl, you out here
[00:17:06] doing illegal activity in the nighttime, you know, with very high professional people and
[00:17:11] extorting them using that information.
[00:17:12] You're going to jail.
[00:17:13] So then we ultimately realized Andrew Malick is up to something.
[00:17:19] And so Harvey's like, well, why don't we get you on the way to say that you can't put me
[00:17:22] on the stand like why you called my character into question.
[00:17:24] So why can't I call your character into question?
[00:17:27] We got you.
[00:17:28] And so they feel like they have him beat.
[00:17:31] Ultimately, Andrew Malick says, you know what?
[00:17:34] You don't have me beat because I'm going after your mentor.
[00:17:38] And Harvey says, good luck with Cameron Dennis.
[00:17:42] No, not him.
[00:17:44] The other one.
[00:17:45] I'm going to have Jessica disbarred.
[00:17:48] And this was a bit of like a hanging Chad from was this the season six finale or the season
[00:17:57] six midseason finale when Jessica came back and says, you're goddamn right.
[00:18:02] I knew about Mike Ross and nobody, nobody cares.
[00:18:06] How about that?
[00:18:07] I mean, even we said nobody cares.
[00:18:10] We talked about it in that episode podcast.
[00:18:11] And we're like, so you're just going to let Jessica walk in and say, yeah, I did it.
[00:18:15] It didn't leave.
[00:18:16] She's like, yeah, I'm moving to Chicago.
[00:18:17] Who gives a damn?
[00:18:18] Well, according to some of our associates, Chicago might care.
[00:18:22] You know, she's really acting like New York to Toronto, New York, its own place, like
[00:18:26] a made up fictional place where the bar only matters.
[00:18:30] And these lawyers will never talk to each other.
[00:18:31] But she says, if I go to Chicago, let's go give a damn about all the fraud.
[00:18:37] Yeah.
[00:18:37] And she stands by it.
[00:18:38] The only person who does not seem to understand that Jessica doesn't care is Harvey.
[00:18:42] He's like, Jessica, please don't do that.
[00:18:45] Please don't.
[00:18:46] Why?
[00:18:46] Why would you?
[00:18:47] Why would you let them disbar you?
[00:18:49] She's like, I admitted it in a court full of people.
[00:18:51] I admitted in front of the board.
[00:18:53] I expect I'm surprised I'm not disbarred already.
[00:18:56] Why haven't they done it?
[00:18:58] You know, you would think somebody who was taking the meeting minutes or something was
[00:19:00] like, hey, we're not going to address this.
[00:19:02] We just won't let it go.
[00:19:04] So it was only a matter of time before Jessica got disbarred and also took her name off the
[00:19:08] door because this is no longer PSL.
[00:19:10] It's just SL.
[00:19:11] Yeah.
[00:19:11] So they're going to buy Jessica out.
[00:19:13] We don't know at what cost.
[00:19:15] Would love to hear from some of the associates at what number do we think that it would take
[00:19:20] to buy Jessica out?
[00:19:22] But Jessica comes back.
[00:19:24] And so we're going to have a buyout and potentially come back for the midseason back half with
[00:19:32] Specter lit.
[00:19:34] Specter lit?
[00:19:35] Doesn't sound good.
[00:19:36] What about Specter lit?
[00:19:38] Williams?
[00:19:39] What if we bring in Alex?
[00:19:41] Specter SLW.
[00:19:44] SLW.
[00:19:44] It doesn't you're right.
[00:19:46] It doesn't feel right.
[00:19:48] Specter lit Zane and Zane.
[00:19:50] Oh, wow.
[00:19:53] I kind of like that a little bit more.
[00:19:55] I do too.
[00:19:56] Specter lit Zane and Zane.
[00:19:57] But it has to be both Zanes because we see in this episode they actually work pretty
[00:20:01] good together because Robert Zane is a hothead.
[00:20:04] And we get Rob another flashback.
[00:20:07] OK, all right.
[00:20:07] So yeah, so we'll see what happens with Specter lit when we come back from the midseason break.
[00:20:11] But for us, it'll just be tomorrow.
[00:20:13] All right.
[00:20:13] Let's talk about this case that goes on where I thought that maybe we kind of hit a wall
[00:20:19] with what was going on with Robert Zane and Rachel working on this case.
[00:20:24] But we end up flashing back 25 years ago.
[00:20:29] Shabelle, what do you think about this flashback to 25 years in the past?
[00:20:34] Robert Zane has always spoken like a civil rights leader.
[00:20:38] You know, I was like, bro, why do you sound like someone's uncle at like 25 years old?
[00:20:42] It was really frustrating to me.
[00:20:43] He's like, nah, nah, Rachel, you go and see your auntie.
[00:20:47] He's like, sir, you're 12.
[00:20:49] Why are you talking like that?
[00:20:51] Like he's about to give the I have a dream speech or something.
[00:20:54] But anyway, he becomes the Robert Zane that we know today.
[00:20:57] Young, fetching individual.
[00:20:58] We saw his sisters there as well.
[00:21:01] And we get to see the backstory of how her and did you think the actor looked enough like
[00:21:07] Wendell Pierce?
[00:21:08] What you gonna do?
[00:21:09] How do you find a window pierce type?
[00:21:10] You know, he's a one of a kind.
[00:21:12] You know, I felt like it was believable that, you know, this young strapping individual,
[00:21:16] he put on a few pounds over the years.
[00:21:18] That's about it.
[00:21:19] Lost some hair.
[00:21:20] I've got it.
[00:21:21] Nothing crazy.
[00:21:22] I didn't really love this flashback overall because I mean, this was 25 years ago,
[00:21:27] but I think that they were like presenting it like this was like 1965.
[00:21:31] Like so 25 years ago, it was it was 1992.
[00:21:37] Yeah, he's like now back in the day, back in the day with sexual harassment and racism
[00:21:42] were things like, sir, this was yesterday.
[00:21:45] Yeah, it very much felt like a long time ago.
[00:21:49] They dragged this woman from her slave quarters.
[00:21:51] I was like, OK, come on, come off of it.
[00:21:53] It was bad.
[00:21:54] And it was it was 1992.
[00:21:56] But it did feel like they were really trying to do like, oh, yeah, way back when, when in
[00:22:01] reality it wasn't that long ago.
[00:22:03] And a lot of people don't realize that a lot of discriminatory actors actions feel like
[00:22:07] they were so long ago and they weren't, you know, 25 years ago.
[00:22:10] The people are still alive.
[00:22:11] They're still well, it's up.
[00:22:12] Robert's ancestor, obviously, but recipes.
[00:22:14] But, you know, like a lot of this stuff doesn't have to feel like it's forever ago for it to
[00:22:19] be real.
[00:22:19] Um, and this definitely felt like, oh, yeah, way back in the day, back when Robert Zane
[00:22:25] was a young, newly freed slave.
[00:22:27] It's all right.
[00:22:28] Come on, y'all.
[00:22:28] Stop that show because I didn't really quite understand.
[00:22:32] OK, so Jasmine Zane, that's Robert Zane's sister.
[00:22:37] She's being sexually harassed at work and then she loses her job.
[00:22:41] And then like they really like I'm sure it's very traumatic to lose a job.
[00:22:47] But like what was this job?
[00:22:50] That like her light went out from that one point that basically that her she lost that
[00:22:56] that's the only job.
[00:22:58] So the leap I took was that maybe he had her blacklisted or something.
[00:23:03] Maybe that no pun intended.
[00:23:05] You know, I feel like maybe it was one of those things where she she got fired, but
[00:23:09] then it was very hard for her to get another job because she was now looked at somebody
[00:23:13] who was, quote unquote, difficult to work with or something like that.
[00:23:17] And he just made it very difficult for her to move on.
[00:23:18] Now, she did go to her brother, this new hot shot lawyer up and coming, just just getting
[00:23:24] his foot in the door about to make a name for himself.
[00:23:26] And he like, sorry, I can't help you.
[00:23:28] And if your brother ain't willing to help you, I know a lot of other law firms and stuff
[00:23:32] probably aren't going to go on the limb for you or other organizations aren't going to
[00:23:37] go that far out of the limb for you either.
[00:23:38] And so she's really looking at Robert Zane as like, hey, you went to this fancy law school.
[00:23:43] Come on, help me out.
[00:23:44] Let's go.
[00:23:44] Let's do this.
[00:23:45] Let's fight.
[00:23:45] He's like, you know, really hard to break through this glass ceiling.
[00:23:50] And I'm tapping on it right now and you're going to set me back so I can't help you.
[00:23:53] Yeah, it's just a little muddy also because it's like, OK, so she had this job and then
[00:23:58] she lost her job under, you know, you know, very like messed up pretenses.
[00:24:04] And then she ends up like going into like some kind of a spiral, I guess.
[00:24:11] But it's also but she also then gets sick and dies from a sickness from.
[00:24:14] But they don't really quite like say like, OK, she started drinking and then she had
[00:24:18] some sort of like another issue.
[00:24:20] So it's just a little muddy of like she loses her job and then kind of related, but maybe
[00:24:27] not exactly because they say it's a sickness.
[00:24:30] Two years later, she dies.
[00:24:32] Yeah, I think that suits with the flashbacks.
[00:24:35] They leave a lot of big holes in the story so that if they need to flashback again, they
[00:24:40] can go, oh yeah, and this happened too.
[00:24:42] So by saying, oh, her life spiraled and she got sick.
[00:24:45] Now if they need to do another flashback, they can just make it make sense for whatever
[00:24:48] storyline they have so they can go back and say, oh, it was cancer.
[00:24:52] So now Rachel can deal with whatever, you know, cancer survivor that she's, you know,
[00:24:59] that she's like representing in court or something like that.
[00:25:01] You know what I'm saying?
[00:25:02] And it makes sense to where it aligns with her backstory.
[00:25:05] And so I'm thinking that's why they made it so vague, because they really did say she
[00:25:09] got fired from her job, she spiraled and then she died.
[00:25:12] It was like, oh, what happened?
[00:25:14] She got sick.
[00:25:15] From what?
[00:25:18] I can't say, you know, it's too hurtful.
[00:25:22] So yeah, I agree.
[00:25:23] It was very muddy, but they kind of yada yada it.
[00:25:25] And we see that Robert Zane later on feels very guilty about kind of letting his sister,
[00:25:30] you know, die knowing that he did not fight for her when she needed him the most.
[00:25:35] It was wild when they had the deposition of this guy of what was his name?
[00:25:41] Is this Arthur Kittredge?
[00:25:44] Is that him?
[00:25:45] Kittredge.
[00:25:46] Yeah, Arthur Kittredge.
[00:25:47] Yeah.
[00:25:48] And they have a deposition for this guy.
[00:25:50] And like, honestly, like I feel like it seemed kind of young for all of this, but here he is.
[00:25:57] And that they're like, OK, we're going to get him to crack.
[00:26:01] And he's like, well, actually, he's he's out of control.
[00:26:05] This guy in the deposition.
[00:26:08] I'm not going to lie to you.
[00:26:10] I kind of I kind of like him as a villain, you know, like I don't get it wrong.
[00:26:18] Awful, despicable human.
[00:26:20] But when he did his whole like Robert Zane, I see you over there watching you watching
[00:26:26] me talk to your daughter.
[00:26:28] She's nice.
[00:26:28] I like it.
[00:26:29] Yeah, pretty.
[00:26:31] You know, outside of this, she don't work for me.
[00:26:33] What's up?
[00:26:34] Yeah, I love Mike Ross would have left across the table.
[00:26:38] Robert Zane almost did, but Mike Ross would have been in prison again.
[00:26:41] He he literally would have Mike Ross would have been in prison.
[00:26:44] Harvey might have punched the guy, you know, like, but Robert Zane has just the restraint
[00:26:49] of a five of me, you know, because there is no way that he was about this man was supposed
[00:26:54] to make it through this exchange alive.
[00:26:56] And he did.
[00:26:57] He did the same move that they just did the other episode where they got they got and
[00:27:01] Andrew.
[00:27:03] Yeah, they got Andrew Maddow to be like, I don't care if you're guilty or innocent.
[00:27:06] I'm taking it down.
[00:27:07] You know, so Robert Zane is like, you bitch, I'm going to kill you.
[00:27:12] Oh, well, that's all we need it.
[00:27:13] We got it on tape.
[00:27:14] This is petty and malicious.
[00:27:16] I'm sorry, Robert Zane, with you getting this thrown out.
[00:27:18] So then they set up another meeting where I'm surprised this guy took a meeting, Arthur
[00:27:23] Kittredge with Robert Zane one on one, and they took a meeting with him one on one.
[00:27:27] And then basically to tell him like, like, hey, while we're having this meeting, Rachel
[00:27:32] is going to your board and they're basically getting them to agree to get rid of you.
[00:27:38] I wasn't sure exactly what crime they were implicating that he committed.
[00:27:44] Like, I kind of felt like that they didn't have the evidence to support that they did
[00:27:50] have like the goods on Arthur Kittredge for what they were going after.
[00:27:54] But it seems like Rachel just goes in there and says like, hey, like this jury is not
[00:27:59] going to be old white men anymore.
[00:28:02] So you better like agree to get rid of him as CEO.
[00:28:07] This ain't 1992.
[00:28:09] OK, black people on the jury now and they're not going to stand for this.
[00:28:13] We got women on the jury too.
[00:28:14] They can vote and they got rights.
[00:28:16] You know, oh, OK, Rachel.
[00:28:18] Yeah, it's very much so.
[00:28:20] This storyline felt very dated.
[00:28:22] I know I get that it is true.
[00:28:23] I get that this stuff is it was just the way it was presented was very much like, yeah,
[00:28:28] now the tide has changed.
[00:28:30] We got we got we got rights now.
[00:28:32] So we're about to fight back, which is probably very fair.
[00:28:35] You know, in the in the early 90s and stuff like that, a lot of people were being silenced
[00:28:39] in ways that, you know, you can bring this stuff up now and get a lot more of a listening
[00:28:42] ear and more compassionate people on your jury.
[00:28:45] So it all makes sense.
[00:28:46] It was just that it felt like they had no evidence except for, you know, he did this,
[00:28:51] right?
[00:28:51] And if the jury gets in front of him, they don't think that he did it.
[00:28:55] And if they think that he did it, it's going to look really bad on you all as the board.
[00:28:59] So you all need to jump ship.
[00:29:01] So they jump ship and then he jump ship.
[00:29:03] Yeah.
[00:29:04] So this is actually very interesting also in terms of like this episode comes out September
[00:29:09] of 2017.
[00:29:11] And it's almost kind of like where Arthur Kittredge kind of gets me too.
[00:29:17] But like he might be the first person to get like, I think that basically like everything
[00:29:22] that comes out with like is it Harvey Weinstein?
[00:29:27] Like I feel like that that happens like right around this time, but like it happens like
[00:29:31] in October of 2017.
[00:29:33] So this is like like a month early where it's like it would probably make more sense if
[00:29:39] like in the heat of the whole Me Too movement, like all this stuff comes to light and then
[00:29:45] the board decides to get rid of Arthur Kittredge.
[00:29:49] But just seems like that they don't necessarily have the dirt to like get rid of him yet at
[00:29:55] this point.
[00:29:56] No, they don't have the dirt, but it does look really, really bad.
[00:30:00] You know, like Rachel's in the boardroom and she's telling them, y'all have been informed
[00:30:04] about this now.
[00:30:05] And that means you're liable as well.
[00:30:08] If you're letting this business, these business practices happen, then y'all will go down
[00:30:12] as a board.
[00:30:13] And so, yeah, that threat is enough to get them to be like, all right, what are we going
[00:30:17] to do here?
[00:30:18] But at the same time, you know, Robert Zane is talking to him and he's like, so, you know,
[00:30:25] your board is going to remove you as CEO, but you could just take this settlement.
[00:30:33] And I'm like, wait, so which one is it?
[00:30:35] Is he removing himself as CEO and he taking a settlement or the board removing him and
[00:30:39] he's not taking a settlement?
[00:30:39] I was very confused.
[00:30:41] Yeah.
[00:30:42] So I guess let's not get too caught in the weeds.
[00:30:47] Long story short, chalk this up as a win for Zane and Zane.
[00:30:51] Yeah, Zane and Zane.
[00:30:54] They did a great job.
[00:30:55] I like them together.
[00:30:56] I like Rachel being the cooler head that prevails when it comes to her and her dad.
[00:31:01] You know, we've seen Rachel get flustered before and start shouting things at people
[00:31:06] and ruining cases as well.
[00:31:08] But here she knew her dad was not going to be able to handle this.
[00:31:11] She knew how hard her dad took her aunt's death and she knew what her dad would do if
[00:31:15] anybody used Rachel against him.
[00:31:17] So when Arthur Kittredge is like, yeah, I like I'm black, you know, he was like, oh
[00:31:22] my God, you know, it was great.
[00:31:24] So yeah.
[00:31:25] Can I nitpick one other thing with this storyline?
[00:31:27] So there's a moment where, OK, so Rachel and Robert Zane are talking and Rachel says, dad,
[00:31:35] it's just like all those times you watching football every Sunday.
[00:31:41] You would say if it's not working to run up the middle, why don't we do a goddamn end
[00:31:46] around?
[00:31:47] It's like that seems very specific that every every week Robert Zane was watching the
[00:31:54] Giants try to run the ball up the middle and he was like pounding the table for an end
[00:31:59] around, which for people who are not football fans and end around is like a very rare play.
[00:32:05] Like maybe there might be like one end around a game.
[00:32:10] Like I can understand like, hey, why don't we pass the ball?
[00:32:14] But Robert Zane loves end around so much.
[00:32:17] It's like in the round reverse.
[00:32:20] End around reverse.
[00:32:21] Sir, we're not doing trick plays every damn play.
[00:32:24] He's like, what are you doing?
[00:32:27] This was like his mantra of like every Sunday.
[00:32:31] He's just like the end around.
[00:32:32] Why don't we ever do an end around?
[00:32:35] I have a cousin who's constantly screaming, Jets week.
[00:32:38] Like stop it.
[00:32:39] Stop it.
[00:32:39] Stop it.
[00:32:40] You're not doing that.
[00:32:41] Just run around the pile like it's not that simple.
[00:32:43] He's like, you were listening to me all the time.
[00:32:46] Yes, dad.
[00:32:47] Yeah, dad.
[00:32:48] I heard you and I was questioning your football strategy.
[00:32:53] He's a giant fan.
[00:32:53] So yeah.
[00:32:54] So I mean, I feel like that in the like the nineties giants, I feel like we're probably
[00:32:59] like pretty good at running the ball also.
[00:33:02] But I mean, he has more to complain about now than he probably has ever had.
[00:33:07] You know, so I could just imagine him yelling about the end arounds now with their new
[00:33:14] offense.
[00:33:15] Mm hmm.
[00:33:17] All right.
[00:33:18] So then let's have one other storyline here.
[00:33:21] Alex Williams.
[00:33:22] Okay.
[00:33:23] We took out the people of like, okay, we thought we were through it when we took out who was
[00:33:30] the first guy of.
[00:33:33] Oh, we took out Brad and now we're on the ghoul.
[00:33:36] Bratton.
[00:33:36] And now, yeah, the ghouled who is a ghoul.
[00:33:39] And so he's.
[00:33:41] Goblin.
[00:33:41] Yes.
[00:33:42] Okay.
[00:33:42] What are we going to do?
[00:33:43] They're trying to take back Pfizer.
[00:33:45] Oh, and so Lewis is like, Alex, I have to help you.
[00:33:50] You're your family.
[00:33:51] Come on.
[00:33:53] It's like, okay, Lewis, like you've had like one conversation with this man before, but
[00:33:57] all right.
[00:33:58] So Lewis has to help out Alex, take all the resources.
[00:34:03] And so Lewis's plan is, okay, I've got it.
[00:34:08] We'll bluff.
[00:34:09] And so we need to tell.
[00:34:13] Gould that there's another buyer in the mix.
[00:34:17] And so that's going to be the plan.
[00:34:19] And I'll get Dr. Lipschitz to call up like, what is this a sitcom?
[00:34:25] And then say that he's from a German pharmaceutical company.
[00:34:30] Dr. Lipschitz is like, no, I won't.
[00:34:33] I won't do that.
[00:34:34] And Lewis is like, that's now the plan is for.
[00:34:37] We can't find one other person in New York city that with a German accent that will
[00:34:42] be able to pull this off.
[00:34:44] Like Dr. Lipschitz is the guy.
[00:34:48] Yeah.
[00:34:48] It's the only German person that Lewis knows, because we know that Lewis is, you know, prejudiced
[00:34:54] against Germans.
[00:34:55] I mean, like Donna can't do an accent if this is the plan.
[00:35:00] Lewis would have some nerve going to Donna and being like, yeah, I know I wouldn't mock
[00:35:04] trial for you, but if you could in your spare time.
[00:35:07] We can't put an ad on Craigslist and find like a German actor to come in and play the
[00:35:13] pharmaceutical buyer.
[00:35:15] You need him to go to Fiverr and hire somebody.
[00:35:22] Go to Cameo and get whatever German actor you can find.
[00:35:25] Like, can you do a German accent for me really quick?
[00:35:28] Mike Ross can't do his Stallone impression of there's an Italian buyer here.
[00:35:34] Like, is that you?
[00:35:40] Uh, yeah.
[00:35:41] The best thing he has is Dr. Lipschitz.
[00:35:43] And Dr. Lipschitz says, no.
[00:35:45] What are you, though?
[00:35:47] What?
[00:35:48] This is insane.
[00:35:48] This is insane.
[00:35:50] Dr. Lipschitz is like, Lewis book the week.
[00:35:53] We need to get you back in here on the couch.
[00:35:55] What are you doing?
[00:35:56] Is he the only person in suits that has sense?
[00:35:59] Like he's the only person in suits that we've ever seen just flat out say no to a hair brain
[00:36:03] scheme.
[00:36:03] Most people are like, okay, no, I'd never do that.
[00:36:06] And then they get the phone call like, okay, damn it.
[00:36:08] I'll do it.
[00:36:09] But they walk in at the last second and they save the day.
[00:36:12] I really was expecting the phone to ring and Dr. Lipschitz be like, okay, it's me.
[00:36:17] You know, blah, blah, blah.
[00:36:17] I did it.
[00:36:18] X, Y, Z.
[00:36:19] But this time he goes, no.
[00:36:22] Yeah.
[00:36:22] Hang up my phone.
[00:36:24] Stop playing with me.
[00:36:25] Yeah.
[00:36:25] I'm grown.
[00:36:25] And I'm a licensed practitioner.
[00:36:27] Please get off my phone.
[00:36:28] All right.
[00:36:28] Paula would have done it.
[00:36:31] Yes.
[00:36:32] Dr. Agard could be like a British buyer.
[00:36:35] She would have done it.
[00:36:35] She would have done it.
[00:36:36] Harvey says, Paula, I need you to do me this one favor.
[00:36:39] It's for a case of Paul's like, Harvey, I really can't do that.
[00:36:42] And be like, please, Harvey.
[00:36:43] It's for me.
[00:36:44] It's for Donna.
[00:36:44] It's like, okay, Harvey, I'll do it.
[00:36:47] Dr. Lipschitz is like, boy, stop playing on my phone.
[00:36:50] Yeah.
[00:36:52] So crazy.
[00:36:53] Then, all right, Lewis is like, oh, now what are we going to do?
[00:36:56] Like, all right, let's go back to the oldest trick in the suits book.
[00:37:01] The dictaphone.
[00:37:03] The dictaphone.
[00:37:03] You fell for it, Gould.
[00:37:05] He did.
[00:37:06] He really did.
[00:37:07] Alex comes in, he's like, Gould, here I am on bended knee begging you to say your exact plan
[00:37:15] right into this microphone.
[00:37:16] And he's like, ha, I knew you'd be back.
[00:37:19] Here's my plan.
[00:37:21] And so he's like, I did all of this just to get you to come back home to daddy.
[00:37:25] So what?
[00:37:26] You did all of this just to get Alex to come back to work?
[00:37:30] Okay.
[00:37:31] I could not believe it when he pulled the dictaphone out.
[00:37:34] I said, what?
[00:37:34] Again?
[00:37:35] Again?
[00:37:36] We got him on a hot mic?
[00:37:38] He asked Lewis and that's Lewis's signature move is the dictaphone.
[00:37:43] It really is.
[00:37:44] It's his finisher.
[00:37:45] And so when you run out of Lewis plans, you just revert back to, well, maybe they'll just
[00:37:51] tell me what they did.
[00:37:52] And so Alex comes in, he's like, this isn't about Pfizer.
[00:37:55] This isn't even about PSL.
[00:37:57] It's about you and me, baby.
[00:37:58] And Gould's like, how'd you know?
[00:38:00] How'd you know I needed you to come on home?
[00:38:01] I needed you to be back at Gould.
[00:38:04] It's going to be Williams and Gould.
[00:38:06] Forget the Braden part.
[00:38:07] It's me and you, baby.
[00:38:08] And Alex was like, not so fast.
[00:38:13] Yeah.
[00:38:13] At least once a season, somebody gets caught on a hot mic revealing their whole plan.
[00:38:19] And every time the reaction is the same, you son of a bitch.
[00:38:24] Who would have thought a lawyer would not know to say something out loud and admit to a crime?
[00:38:31] So many people have gotten crossed up on the old dictaphone trick.
[00:38:36] And it always leads to the same thing.
[00:38:38] It's always like, so now I got you.
[00:38:40] Let me leave and let you watch me leave.
[00:38:42] And as you realize that you now have to do me a huge favor to keep me from throwing you
[00:38:47] under the bus.
[00:38:48] And that's exactly what happened.
[00:38:49] Gould says, hey, Alex, before you go, how can I make that tape disappear?
[00:38:54] He's like, you owe me a favor.
[00:38:56] So you're going to make this Pfizer thing disappear.
[00:38:58] You're going to leave me alone at PSL.
[00:39:00] But then also one day, one day I'm going to come knocking.
[00:39:03] And when I do need you to open that door.
[00:39:05] And so, Rob, there is a non-zero chance that we have to see Mr. Gould again.
[00:39:09] Oh, my God.
[00:39:10] Gould is not gone just yet.
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[00:40:16] Chappelle, let's talk about the Liddy here for this episode.
[00:40:22] We haven't talked about Lewis enough.
[00:40:24] Hmm.
[00:40:26] I mean, Lewis is going through this because he is still down bad about Sheila's ass.
[00:40:32] Sheila's ass left him high and dry, left him wondering what was going on.
[00:40:36] And Sheila's ass is the reason why he would not do the mock trial for Donna.
[00:40:44] I don't know how I feel about Lewis and Sheila's ass no more, because
[00:40:50] I kind of feel like they kind of feel like an in-game couple.
[00:40:52] You know, he just won't let it go.
[00:40:55] But she's moving on, right?
[00:40:57] Yeah, I think it was just a fling for Sheila.
[00:40:59] For Lewis, I think that he had to do it.
[00:41:02] But I think that maybe it like messed him up even worse.
[00:41:06] But for Sheila, I think that she is a woman who knows what she wants.
[00:41:10] And she said, OK, I just want this like one one last taste of the forbidden fruit.
[00:41:16] And then that's it.
[00:41:17] I'm out.
[00:41:19] Yeah.
[00:41:19] And Dr. Lipschitz is the one who brings that up to Louisa.
[00:41:22] You know, Lewis, is there any world where you just didn't do this mock trial because
[00:41:26] you didn't want the Sheila information coming out?
[00:41:28] Because Donna is pissed at Lewis throughout this entire episode.
[00:41:31] So I asked you for one favor, and that was to yell at me in front of a bunch of our associates.
[00:41:36] And you couldn't even do it.
[00:41:37] And now I'm on the stand.
[00:41:39] Andy's calling me a slut and all this other stuff like, what's up?
[00:41:43] And Lewis is like, I just didn't have time.
[00:41:45] And I would have to build an argument and all this other stuff.
[00:41:48] Dr. Lipschitz says, or maybe just maybe you didn't want to have to get on here and talk
[00:41:53] about a shameful relationship that you're having like the one with Sheila's ass.
[00:41:58] And so, Sass, Sheila's ass, is it Zass or Zass?
[00:42:03] I always say Sheila's ass, but I think it's Sheila's ass.
[00:42:06] Anyway, the relationship with Sheila's ass, yeah, it's Sheila's ass.
[00:42:10] And so I think that the relationship with Sheila's ass has been still controlling Lewis's
[00:42:15] actions to the point where he finally has to come clean to Donna and say, yeah, it's Sheila.
[00:42:20] It's always going to be Sheila.
[00:42:21] It's never, it's never not been Sheila.
[00:42:23] And he had this affair, this torrid affair with this woman that he cannot let go.
[00:42:27] I think Lewis might show up at the wedding.
[00:42:31] Wow.
[00:42:31] And object at the wedding?
[00:42:33] Objection, your honor.
[00:42:34] Like, uh.
[00:42:37] Absolutely.
[00:42:37] I could see Lewis doing that.
[00:42:38] And the craziest thing about this is that Lewis is the one who broke up with Sheila's ass.
[00:42:42] He's like, I have to have a, I have to have a baby.
[00:42:45] And, um.
[00:42:46] I would love to see the guy that Sheila's marrying.
[00:42:49] Yeah.
[00:42:50] Yeah.
[00:42:51] Do you think he's a Lewis lit type?
[00:42:52] No, Lewis said he's a, no, well, that was, that was.
[00:42:55] That was Tara.
[00:42:56] Yeah.
[00:42:56] Yeah.
[00:42:56] That was, yeah, okay.
[00:42:57] So are you saying a litty for Lewis?
[00:43:01] Nah, maybe.
[00:43:04] Maybe.
[00:43:05] Yeah.
[00:43:06] He did drop the ball on the Donna thing.
[00:43:07] Like had he just done his job, Donna would have been fine.
[00:43:09] Yeah.
[00:43:10] I don't think you can give it to Lewis here.
[00:43:13] Although he did give Alex the dictaphone.
[00:43:16] I would say, um, I feel like a Mike, we haven't really talked to, uh, uh, really mentioned him
[00:43:23] at all other than when he told Donna to go and tell Harvey his feelings.
[00:43:28] Uh, but Mike and Harvey are sort of like running around trying to figure out what Andrew Malik
[00:43:34] is going to do next.
[00:43:35] I think the person that probably deserves the Liddy, I think is Rachel.
[00:43:39] Me too.
[00:43:40] She was close on a couple of these.
[00:43:41] I think it's time to give her a Liddy.
[00:43:43] She has been in the contention, you know, like to be second place in the Liddy race four
[00:43:48] times in a row.
[00:43:48] I think that that equates to at least one.
[00:43:50] Mm-hmm.
[00:43:51] Okay.
[00:43:51] Yeah.
[00:43:51] So she gets the Liddy.
[00:43:52] She's the cooler head, uh, ends up, uh, keeping like Robert Zane from flying off the handle.
[00:43:58] Her idea works to do the end around.
[00:44:00] So yeah.
[00:44:01] And she helps motivate Mike to talk to Donna to go kiss Harvey.
[00:44:08] And, you know, for better or for worse, I still think it's the right move.
[00:44:12] I think that, you know, uh, regardless of how it works out, it's a lot better than being
[00:44:16] in this random purgatory that Donna is living in.
[00:44:18] I was like, I can't move on with my life because what if I am too obsessed with Harvey?
[00:44:22] It's like the idea of being obsessed with Harvey is driving her crazy.
[00:44:25] It's not that she's actually obsessed with him and she can't live.
[00:44:27] It's what if I am, what if everyone's right?
[00:44:29] What if I am in love with him?
[00:44:30] What if I can't move on?
[00:44:31] What if I can't have a healthy relationship without thinking about him?
[00:44:34] I have to know.
[00:44:35] And so now Rachel has pushed Mike to push Donna and I think Rachel deserves all the
[00:44:40] credit.
[00:44:41] All right.
[00:44:42] References in this episode.
[00:44:44] Uh, I don't think that there were many other than, uh, we talked about the giants and I
[00:44:50] think that that was, uh, pretty much it.
[00:44:52] Um, let's take some questions.
[00:44:55] Okay.
[00:44:56] Uh, David Schwartz says, Donna.
[00:44:59] Wow.
[00:44:59] It's about time.
[00:44:59] How do we think about this?
[00:45:01] Is Harvey going to flip out because Donna's just made him into a cheater like his mother.
[00:45:05] Does it count as cheating is something like this just happens?
[00:45:08] Has this ever happened to either of you?
[00:45:11] It reminds me of that contestant kissing Jeff at the reunion show, I think in season 25.
[00:45:17] Dawson?
[00:45:19] Who would have thought we got a Dawson reference on here?
[00:45:22] Yeah.
[00:45:23] So I would say that for Harvey, I don't think that this, uh, constitutes cheating,
[00:45:29] but if this did happen to me, my wife would definitely constitute it as cheating.
[00:45:36] Yeah, no, you would be dead and I wouldn't be dead.
[00:45:39] Oh, I don't know.
[00:45:39] Is that, do you get divorced after the fact?
[00:45:42] No, probably just dead.
[00:45:43] I don't think it would be a need for a divorce.
[00:45:46] Right.
[00:45:46] She wouldn't give you the satisfaction of getting a divorce.
[00:45:48] She would murder you.
[00:45:50] Yeah.
[00:45:50] Yeah.
[00:45:51] Now, uh, Harvey's not going to react well to this initially because he is going to be
[00:45:55] torn, right?
[00:45:56] He's going to be looking at Donald like, why would you put me in this position?
[00:45:58] But at the same time, if he even mentions this to Paula, Paula is a wise lady.
[00:46:04] She's going to say, Harvey, if the fact that you're telling me this and not immediately
[00:46:09] telling Donna to kiss your ass and go away, um, it's, it's that you feel something and
[00:46:13] that you need to explore it.
[00:46:14] Leave me out of this.
[00:46:15] And she's going to go.
[00:46:16] And that's probably for the best because Paula, you was already moving kind of weird dating
[00:46:20] your old client.
[00:46:21] Like that's, it's just odd.
[00:46:23] Like I haven't forgotten.
[00:46:25] All right.
[00:46:26] Uh, Jessica Frey also, uh, some more, uh, justification for yesterday's Liddy.
[00:46:33] Uh, Jessica Frey said about yesterday's episode, uh, it's time to give Gretchen the Liddy because
[00:46:39] she dragged Lewis like he needed to be dragged.
[00:46:42] So, uh, we have the back of the associates.
[00:46:46] She said, I'm a knock you the hell out.
[00:46:48] Yeah.
[00:46:48] Gretchen has just, she knows how to speak the suits language.
[00:46:50] If you can't get what you want done, you threaten them, you dictate for them.
[00:46:54] And then at the end of the day, you threaten to punch them in the face.
[00:46:57] Chappelle I've been seeing in our Facebook group, uh, some people have been posting that
[00:47:02] their Spotify playlists of, uh, what is it called?
[00:47:05] Spotify unplugged.
[00:47:07] Spotify wrapped.
[00:47:08] Wrapped.
[00:47:09] Okay.
[00:47:09] And they've been posting about how much suits yourself.
[00:47:13] They've been listening to.
[00:47:14] Which is cool.
[00:47:16] Right?
[00:47:16] I was like, Oh, look, that's my big ass, a toothy grin.
[00:47:19] And on the front of that, uh, that podcast thing, that's dope.
[00:47:22] Uh, more people should be posting that.
[00:47:24] So if you are listening to this and you haven't posted this on your Spotify wrapped, why aren't
[00:47:27] we hired?
[00:47:28] You to Megan?
[00:47:28] Who's a top 3% fan.
[00:47:31] A shout out to Camilla.
[00:47:33] It was the top 4% fan.
[00:47:36] Uh, Camilla, you got, you still got time to get it, you know, to get it before the end
[00:47:39] of the year.
[00:47:40] Yeah.
[00:47:41] Yeah.
[00:47:41] Look, you put out a podcast, you know, you get a rack up a lot of minutes.
[00:47:45] We do.
[00:47:46] We do.
[00:47:46] We have a lot of minutes and this podcast, we keep it tight.
[00:47:49] You know, we try not to get too far, you know, too far in the weeds where this is an hour
[00:47:52] and two hours.
[00:47:53] So we're happy that people are, are knocking these suits podcast out.
[00:47:56] I don't use Spotify, but now I feel like I need to, so I can have a rap too.
[00:48:00] Yeah.
[00:48:00] So they can send you the thing.
[00:48:01] So that's the best thing about Spotify.
[00:48:03] All right.
[00:48:03] Chappelle, anything else you want to mention here today?
[00:48:06] No, follow me on Twitter at Chappelle's underscore show and follow at suits pod on Twitter.
[00:48:10] I've been trying to catch up on the tweets because it got behind.
[00:48:12] Uh, but yeah, we're still tweeting from there.
[00:48:14] Let us know what you're thinking about the episodes.
[00:48:16] If you have any questions, concerns, uh, and, uh, yeah.
[00:48:20] Uh, tune in for more suits podcast.com.
[00:48:22] All right.
[00:48:23] And then we'll be back tomorrow to talk about the back half of season seven, as we kick off
[00:48:29] the mid season premiere of season seven coming up tomorrow.
[00:48:32] Take care.
[00:48:33] Everybody have a good one.
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